By the time the plane reached 30,000 feet somewhere over Wisconsin and regained Wi-Fi access, the first-place Twins knew they were losing the innovative coach who'd helped the staff to the 10th-best WAR in the majors since the start of the 2019 season, and to the seventh-best ERA in the majors this season. If a pitcher pitches too many innings and doesnt have enough cartilage to protect his arm, that pitchers effectiveness will go downhill. He wanted to go all-in with his new role. Many of the big college programs even pay their head coaches more than MLB gives to some of their managers. Strip the team, win the same make money off your ignorant butt. As the Twins flew to Cleveland on Sunday evening, players were shocked to learn many of them via social media that Wes Johnson was leaving their first-place team for a college job. Wes Johnson has been the Twins pitching coach since the start of the 2019 season. Seems weird, because its mid-season MLB, and the odd nature of the hire. Kind of huddling up. He was with the Mets quite a long time. What Johnson meant to the Twins, and how difficult it will be to replace him under these circumstances, will be seen in the coming weeks as both parties go their separate ways. He's regarded as a pioneer in the field. Related: MLB trade rumors: Latest MLB rumors in June. ", He added: "The biggest adjustment by far is going to be his loss of energy. If he quits, sue him! This is not MLBs fault, it is poor coaching at all levels. I couldnt leave fast enough. And unlike players, teams dont get six years of control with coaches. The Minnesota Twins entered the offseason with a lot of roster uncertainty. People act like this is the 2nd coming of Jim Schlossnagle or something. Who will step up? Its also interesting hes going to be paid so much more at the college level than he was in the major leagues I have no dog in the hunt and I wish him all the best at LSU except when hes playing the Tennessee Vols. Thats pretty normal. Who will step up? EXAMINING LSU BASEBALL'S ROSTER:Examining LSU baseball's 2023 roster: Who is gone? A preseason Top 15 team nearly every year, the program has racked up six National Championships, the second most in the country. I keep thinking about the LSU pitcher from a couple of years ago who hit nukes in high school. Gambling problem? If Johnson was doing that much and making roughly $400,000 per season, as Hayes reports, theres a chance its the high end of what assistant coaches are being From 2020-21, LSU athletics spent more than they made. It has also put the Twins in a tough spot, having to replace a key staff member by Friday once Johnson officially leaves after this series. The news was unexpected and, really, pretty strange. If he wanted to go and was denied that opportunity both his attitude and desire would take on a decidedly negative attitude which would affect both his ability to relate to pitchers, position players, fellow coaches, the team manager and the front office. And yes, I get it. dark. has anyone One pitching coach or hitting coach, teams appear to believe, is largely no different than any other pitching or hitting coach in the overall available pool of coaches. It does create some juggling," Falvey said. Johnson is in his fourth season with the Twins, but has previous SEC ties he worked as a pitching coach at Mississippi State and at Arkansas before joining Minnesota in November 2018. If he is successful down there, next he can run for the US Senate. While it is surprising, LSU is one of the premiere programs and he will see a steady supply of top talent with a lot more job security. I went to the College World Series a few years back when LSU was in. LSU is a perennial top 15 college baseball program, in the top baseball conference in the country. Leading the division without an ace is actually a sign that he was doing a good job. Offense sells tickets pitching wins championships.. and the MN twins are a great ticket seller but they havent developed ACE type pitching thus they are the world record holder for the most consecutive games lost in the post season so the next time you see your reflection please dont assume it is someone else.. LSU waited until after the College World Series today to announce the hire. Cal Ripken and Cooperstown are connected again. There was never anywhere close to the number of pitching injuries we routinely see and accept each year. It will take a lot of success to overcome that. Instead, Johnson will make near the same money ($380K/yr + incentives) with his new collegiate employer, as what he was making with the Twins. Thats especially true when its a coach for a playoff contender, where the team is happy with the coach and isnt giving any indications that they are going to make a change. Johnson, who grew up in Arkansas and lives there in the offseason, its a lot closer to his family then Minnesota is. Players were shocked. Id imagine any major position on that staff would be considered a major win. pic.twitter.com/120i0hm97C, So now that we have more detail, this makes the midseason move even more fascinating for Wes Johnson leaving an MLB team for #LSU. But just when the Twins were getting back to finding their rhythm, Wes Johnson scratched the record. "There is the question of not just listing out things you need to do, it's how you do it, how you talk about it, how a player prefers to be prepared for what he's doing," Baldelli said. The hires arent unusual between college and pro, just not usually as high profile. Leaving for a lateral move sounds bad on the twins. Earlier this week, news broke that Wes Johnson, the well-regarded pitching coach for the Minnesota Twins, was leaving the Twins to become the new pitching coach for LSU. "I'm never going to get those out of whack.". This is an all-around stunning move. Less security. If changing jobs reflects badly on someones character, most fall into that category. Hes just really happy for me. May 8 2018 Exercised $6.13 million option with Los Angeles (LAC) for 2018-19. Well everyone wants Dylan Crews but hes not a pitcher. In addition to the 100% raise, I have to think that recruiting and retaining prime 18 to 22 year old talent is a factor. 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Its because they dont know how to pitch these days. Analytics, biomechanics, instilling confidence, game plan. Maki joined the Twins in 2017 after serving as the pitching coach at Duke University. There is more to this story that is as yet unsaid. While a Twins source said pay and resources were not an issue in Johnson leaving, a coach leaving the majors for a college gig does put into question how MLB If you know how to pitch, you dont need to throw everything at 100mph, and you dont blow out your arm. The first two posts regarding this did not have salary included. That LSU staff is only a month away from reporting to campus for fall ball. Even if they do try, what exactly could they do to LSU for not adhering to the ban? LSU is paying him $380K compared to his Twins salary of $350K, per MLBTR https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/06/twins-pitching-coach-wes-johnson I expect hell be successful at LSU and continue there or at other elite college programs for as long as he wants. Follow us for breaking news and latest updates: was leaving the organization for Louisiana State University, worth double what he was making with the Twins. Many on board the flight were still unaware of the news when the team landed in Cleveland at 8:30 p.m. If you dont know the difference theres no point in arguing with anyone here about it. I expect that hes burned any bridge back to MLB by leaving a division-leading team mid-season. Theres pretty much nothing that can be done on the Twins end except maybe a signing bonus that would have to be returned. The term sheet has a $380,000 750k is nice pay, and thats a storied collegiate program. Dan Hayes of The Athletic reported that the Twins front office had a motto: In Wes We Trust. His ability to evaluate talent has been a big factor this season. 13 in ERA. Theyll be highly ranked and a potential favorite next season. All advice, including picks and predictions, is based on individual commentators opinions and not that of Minute Media or its related brands. But after Johnson arrived, they became a top-five staff in only two seasons. The Twins, meanwhile, will begin the second half of their season without their talented pitching whisperer, trying to maintain their playoff positioning. Correa said Twins manager Rocco Baldelli at first told him to keep what he learned about Johnson on the down low. While that might not be much, theres also the potential for Johnson to make a lot more money if the teams successful: John Anderson making $225G w/ Gophers after 40+ yrs. He became known as the "czar of velocity" when he helped make the little-known Dallas Baptist program relevant on the college baseball scene. He later joined Arkansas. Is there a team out there that doesnt have at least 2 pitchers out for the season? Arkansas wasnt too shabby. 7:17PM: Maki will be promoted and become the Twins new pitching coach, Gleeman and Hayes report (via Twitter). Pete (Maki) and I have kind of had that dialogue (about preferences and terminology) through my entire time with the Twins," Ryan said. Are college kids taught to hit endless foul balls and to get the pitchers out of the game, so that their coaches have the kids put more and more stress on their shoulders / arms / forearms/ and wrists as they have to create more movement to miss bats? Further announcements will come later this week, the Twins said in a statement released Sunday night. Sources told @DanHayesMLB he was making about $400K with the Twins. But with an entirely rebuilt starting rotation in 2022, Johnson brought that collective ERA down to 3.78. No idea how it transpired as far as communication with the Twins. Less travel, twice as much moneywhats not to like? He's been there for every good one and every bad one.". Megan Ryan is a Minnesota Twins beat reporter. And yeah, leaving the Twins mid-season is kind of a suck, but I dont know the situation. Koki Riley covers LSU sportsfor The Daily Advertiser and the USA TODAY Sports South Region. #MNTwins found out yesterday about the talks with LSU. That's when the players' smartphones began lighting up. The Sarris/Buchanan article expands on the compensation issue, noting that Johnson was making $400,000 per year for the Twins. Coaching changes happen all the time during the season in baseball. Examining LSU baseball's 2023 roster: Who is gone? Sad to say but his coke addiction probably prolonged his career. This is the SEC he is going back to and a program that is always good but hasnt had a CWS appearance since 2017 and no titles since 2009. Hence, the Yankees were out of the race. "I sent (the screenshot) to a couple of the other guys, and other guys had just seen it, and it spread like wildfire," Smeltzer said. Guys are taught how to throw harder, not how to pitch. Presumably, assistant pitching coach Luis Ramirez or bullpen coach Pete Maki are the likeliest candidates to step into Minnesotas pitching coach role on at least an interim basis. Major league coaches particularly a hitting or pitching coach generally arent going to jump ship mid-season. It doesnt make this a normal situation, and it has the Twins looking for a new pitching coach. The latter two are still in middle and high school in Johnson's native Arkansas. ", For Smeltzer, the loss is more about personality and communication. College baseball has evolved as much as football and basketball, that you see former players (Reggie Willits, Matt Holliday, Tim Hudson) taking/leaving professional jobs in order to teach/work in colleges now. Johnson was in the midst of his fourth season with the Twins before leaving for LSU. Its clear that Wes Johnson was motivated to leave the Minnesota Twins. They make millions dude even relievers so unethical is not the correct word. A huge bump in salary, for a job that wouldnt have been available in October, made sense. I give credit to Wes for helping turn a lot of meh Twins pitchers into pretty okay Twins pitchers. You have the most accurate handle Ive ever come across. Then checked if the account that tweeted it was verified. The 50-year-old and his wife, Angie, have three children: Ryan, Anna and Ava. Next. LSUs last College World Series appearance came in 2017 and it won its last national title in 2009. "By the time I walked back to my seat, the guys are like, 'What were you talking to Rocco about?' What kind of power do you think MLB actually has? He probably had one more card game with Hank Conger on the team flight, his usual practice, and he surely exchanged some warm embraces and goodbyes. Right now is when most schools are doing their hiring. Im sorry but this is totally fed up. Odd that he would leave during the season and not negotiate leaving after the season. Sensing Smeltzer was perhaps overprepared for the occasion - he brought his own detailed game plan to the pregame pitchers' meeting - Johnson told him: "Hey, you belong here, you are here for a reason.". An updated look at the Minnesota Twins 2022 payroll table, including base pay, bonuses, options, & tax allocations. Salaries from players who have been placed on the injured list, still counting against the payroll. Leftover salaries from players who have been traded or released, or buyouts for declined options. Proj. Tax Payroll "I got pretty choked up when I came out and got that hug for the last time. Certainly not a lateral move. He's a fireball. He called him an effective "translator. The Athletic reported on Monday that Johnson was making $400,000 per year with the organization. That offsets any loses and brings in a lot of money. Ability of MLB pitching staff to perform is in doubt. What does it say about the Twins that LSU would pay him DOUBLE what a Major League Team will pay? Johnson will also have full control of pitching development. Since College Teams mostly play in their own regions there is less travel, A more stable home life, and players who might actually listen to him. It comes down to two possible outcomes. Why would Johnson leave MLB to go back to college baseball? The Brewers have agreed to a $3.5 million, one-year contract with former Miami Marlins third baseman/right fielder Brian Anderson, a person familiar with the situation said Wednesday. Wes Johnson is headed to LSU to be their new pitching coach. Summer camps start in July and fall practices and scrimmage games for college teams start September 7th. All rights reserved. ", Johnson was there for Smeltzer's major-league debut: six shutout innings at home against the Brewers on May 28, 2019. All teams, good or bad have fall ball and recruiting to attend to. LSU had courted Johnson last season as well. DETAILS BELOW. Shortstop was No. The story is worth checking out, for a number of reasons, but what struck me in reading about it is what it reveals about the compensation for coaches, and what it says about how they are valued. And that makes Johnsons move rather remarkable. Doesnt sound like its known what his status is for the rest of the season. A five-game series with the second-place Cleveland Guardians awaited, and the Twins were ready to re-establish themselves as the best team in the division. The team is one of the best programs in college baseball. He is taking near similar money, if not less https://t.co/pX7dKdXK7V. Johnson didn't have a chance between Sunday's game and flight to properly inform the team before the news leaked. The value of a marginal win on the free agent market for players has been discussed for years now, and while marginal win value isnt linear for an individual player (a 0 win to 1 win delta for a player has less value than a 3 win to 4 win delta, for example) and depends on each individual teams situation, we can comfortably say that a marginal win is going to be valued at somewhere from $5 to $10 million. Johnson reportedly received an annual salary around $350,000 from the Twins when he left the University of Arkansas for MLB in November 2018. Not that it matters, since it seems like a pitching coach at a good college program can make much more than in the MLB. June 26, 11:03PM: Johnson will receive a $380K annual salary from LSU, according to the school, a modest increase over the approximately $350K per year that the coach received from the Twins. "It's the toughest thing I've ever done," Johnson said. LSU, meanwhile, was very aggressive in recruiting Johnson. The Twins are letting him out of his contract so theres no reason to believe that other teams would hold it against him in the future. Johnson's last day was Thursday in Cleveland. In this case, at least, the SEC trumps the AL Central, which has the potential to send shockwaves through MLB if other big-time college programs attempt to lure major-league coaches in a similar manner, more than doubling what is a fairly typical salary in the big leagues. Johnson was a hit, as the Twins won division titles in 2019 and '20. Which would seem to indicate that, well, coaches arent seen as that important, are seen as largely interchangeable. The situation there is akin to the Yankees or Dodgers not making the playoffs for 5 straight years. His leadership, insight, creativity, and ability to effectively work across a diverse team were hallmarks of his time with the Minnesota Twins. Mlb pitching coaches dont make much. Was it true? Kind of going over things and making sure that every step of preparation is in line.". Now, its expected that Pete Maki is going to take over as the teams pitching coach when Wes Johnson leaves after Thursday. Still, questions about how much Wes is getting paid with LSU could go down in history as a mystery because even at The Athletic, where all of this reporting is taking place, they have no idea how much hes really making. 6:30PM: In a surprise midseason move, Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson is leaving the team to return to the college ranks, as D1 Baseballs Kendall Rogers (Twitter link) reports that Johnson has been hired as LSUs new pitching coach. He coached in the SEC at Mississippi State and Arkansas before going straight to the majors in his first MLB job. Tell that to Steve Carlton or Tom Seaver, after looking at their complete game totals. First place who cares? Can be a lot more satisfying. since he left the University of Arkansas in 2019. There are only 30 lead pitching coach positions in the highest. MLB used to look at their pitchers as assets and wanted them as healthy as possible. Theres almost no chance a booster is calling the dugout if Johnson wants to send his ace out into the eighth inning. In 2019 at least nine college baseball coaches made more than $1 million annually while eleven MLB managers made less than $1 million. When Falvey and Levine took over the Twins, the cupboard was bare in terms of quality pitching. The Twins saw a massive jump in strikeout rate, and Johnson was doing some of his best work this season. Odds & lines subject to change. Arizona offered Yeskie a contract over $650,000 annually, including better job security than MLB franchises are willing to provide. That happens all the time. A plush NCAA job would offer a LOT of incentive for an individual. Wes Johnson has been an integral part of our organization over the last three and a half seasons and has helped guide our pitchers at the highest level, Twins president of baseball operations Derek Falvey said in a press release. The team won the AL Central twice and are currently in first place again. Johnson was sitting at his customary seat at the coaches card table for what should have been a happy flight after the Twins closed out a series victory Sunday. You dont see a lot of NCAA mens baseball coaches with MLB coaching experience, so thats going to look good to recruits. The Twins first learned of Johnsons negotiations with LSU on Saturday. So why would Wes leave? "You can't fault a guy for doing what is best for him and his family. Maybe LSU wants him as a recruit? Major League pitchers are doing on disabled lists at an epidemic rate. Minnesota hasthe 11th best ERA in MLB and is in first place in the American League Central. What strikes me about this is what it says about how MLB organizations value coaches. Who is back? The article said there is a hardening of cartilage in pitchers arms until the age of 25. Its a major plus to have when youre trying to get players to join the university instead of going pro. This also happened while I was involved at a high level program, but it was a Player Development Director rolehe ended up managing later in MLB. LSU baseball pitching coach Wes Johnson, who was hired on Monday, has signed a three-year term sheet worth $1.14 million. Minnesota Twins: 4 Twins who should be ditched by the All-Star Break. Alan Dunn was LSUs pitching coach for 6 years up until this year, and he left a professional job with Baltimore. 30 years ago.. Pitchers were pitching complete games.. In fact, that booster is probably encouraging him to do so. Umhes making 30k more. LOL! The Lafayette Daily Advertiser reported Johnson's LSU contract has a $380,000 yearly base salary for three years, plus a $800 per month vehicle allowance and $25,000 relocation incentive. Now that D1 athletes have NIL compensation, that makes that part easier. They had just won the final two games of their homestand and expanded their lead in the American League Central. "We want to be respectful to everyone in the room, talk to different people, different staff members. But after a records request at the school was fulfilled later in the afternoon, were finding that not to be the case at all. Wes Johnsons base LSU salary is $380,000 as reported by @BrodyAMiller.Multiple industry sources said total compensatory package potentially in neighborhood of $750,000. If LSU does not win and dominate pitching he will be on the hot seat. Chris Fetter the Detroit Tigers pitching coach turned down the head coaching pitching for the University of Michigan. Then he'll make his way to Louisiana to prepare for his second act as a college coach. Hes done that many times over for us.. I didnt have tickets to their games but it still seems like half the fans had LSU gear. They are totally self-sufficient, one of about 8 university athletic departments to operate that way. 'He's leaving,'" Correa recounted. He used weighted-ball drills and high-speed cameras in the early 2000s before just about anyone considered them. Its just not clear as to why, or what made him jump ship mid-voyage. Twins officials were fond of saying In Wes We Trust regarding his recommendations for reclamation projects and minor-league signings, believing in his ability to tap into unseen value with mechanical and pitch mix changes. WebWesley Johnson contract and salary cap details, contract breakdowns, dead money, and news. Sometimes those answers are very easy, sometimes they are more complex.". Twins must want some prospect(s) from that college. Maki, the teams bullpen coach, has been with the organization since 2017 when he was hired as the teams minor league pitching coach. I feel like you dont know the meaning of unethical. Twins lose their JOHNSON !! The news made its way to Twins media relations chief Dustin Morse in the back of the plane, who approached Johnson and Twins manager Rocco Baldelli, seated in a row catty-corner to him. Seems odd hed leave in mid-season. Johnson will join Jay Johnsons staff at LSU, replacing pitching coach Jason Kelly, who was hired as head coach at the University of Washington last week. Johnson accepted Sunday. No one can be sure how things will go now that Johnson is heading down South. Why not? Heck, TJ surgery has moved from an epidemic to an acceptable standard practice. But Hayes also reported that Johnson never asked for a raise after the Twins tried to convince him to stay. And make 350K at a private company (that, of course, benefits from socialism for the oligarchs with tax money given free to them). They said they'd wait until they got to Cleveland to address it. It's my Lord and savior Jesus Christ, one. Johnson, in his southern accent, told the team his priorities were God, his family, and baseball - and that his priorities had gotten out of order. DanHayesMLB (@DanHayesMLB) June 26, 2022. Maybe he likes working with younger pitchers or didnt like all the traveling. Success where is that? twins still dont have a true ACE.. if your are playing to be relevant.. Wes has done a good job It you are pitching to be a true contender Wes and the Dynamic duo are striking out.. Who loses. His final day with the Twins will be Thursday. "What does this person need up here to prepare them to go out there and do their job? Perhaps LSU wanted an answer right now so they would know who is going to be their pitching coach. Either they made Johnson an offer he couldnt refuse, or they simply gave him a better life. "They grade out with all the metrics as pitches that are really good for me. Keep in mind that college athletic programs are a major selling point to Alumni Departments when asking for donations. That info wasnt there when the person posted their reply. This just shows how much he must hate the Twins or Minnesota. Bullpen coach Pete Maki is expected to take over the lead pitching coach role from Johnson, but Twins officials have stressed that truly replacing Johnson will be a group effort involving multiple internal staff members. Now, in the middle of the season, that coach is leaving a division-leading team thats seen as a pitcher or two away from being a contender to head to the college level. Do you think hitters should just concede their at bat so pitchers do not have to throw so many pitches? LSU baseball hires Minnesota Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson for same role with Tigers. As of Sunday night, the team was still working through all of its staffing options. Wes Johnson is on the charter to Cleveland. They are pitches that I've tried to throw in the past, and he gave me some cues that made it easier for me to be more consistent. The problem is not how pitchers are handled its that they dont know how to actually pitch. Interesting that he leaves in the middle of the Year considering the college season wont start until well after the Major League baseball season is over. He told reporters the same Monday in the visitors' dugout at Progressive Field. In baseball, it hasn't been. He knows how to handle each guy individually. But timing matters. Still, Ryan said it's a loss, citing Johnson's "depth of knowledge" and his desire to be "constantly learning.". In many ways they are to college baseball what KU, Duke, North Carolina, etc are to college basketball. Johnson had never worked in pro baseball prior to being hired by the Twins, though several teams in recent years have hired coaches with more varied resumes than the usual background as a player, coach, or manager at the MLB or minor league levels. Those were the terms used by members of the Twins traveling party Sunday evening to describe the 90-minute flight to Cleveland, when word leaked out that highly regarded pitching coach Wes Johnson accepted a significant raise to become the new pitching coach at Louisiana State University, multiple sources confirmed to The Athletic. When news broke about Johnsons departure, it was reported that he was getting a substantial raise to leave Minnesota for Baton Rouge, with Johnson getting around $750,000 per year to coach for the Tigers. Good luck Wes! Its not a lot of time considering it might involve housing, and dealing with personal family matters. In addition, LSU is a lot closer to home for Johnson and his family. 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